Thoughtleader: lunch with IBM's top strategist Irving Wladawsky-Berger

By Tom Foremski - July 27, 2006

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Wednesday I had lunch with IBM's top strategist Irving Wladawsky-Berger, vice president, technical strategy and innovation. He was in town to appear on a panel at the AlwaysOn conference in Palo Alto.

It's always a pleasure to catch up with Mr Wladawsky-Berger. I've been meeting with him on a regular basis from many years. Our conversations are always wide ranging and we compare notes on many different aspects of the IT industry and beyond.

We started off chatting about Withnail and I, a cult British movie that his daughter had recommended. (I am very fond of the type of characters in that movie from my upbringing in the UK.)

Then we moved on to my favorite subject, blogging and media. What is a blog or what isn't?

I said that the definition is very broad, and I like to remove the "b" word because it is universally confusing. It is about the ease of online publishing using a very robust platform, with the ability to publish outwards and publish back--it's a two-way media technology.

Mr Wladawsky-Berger said that blogging encompassed an incredible variety of types of content but that authenticity was a prime requirement. "You cannot have somebody ghost write a blog," he noted.

Mr Wladawsky-Berger said he likes to write long posts that explore a theme or idea; he references books, and other sources, rather than other blogs. He said he would rather be writing about the world at large than writing about what someone else has blogged.

I said it is good to spread some link-love but there is a danger of stepping into an echo chamber. I'd love to do more link-love but I'm out and about all day trying to get exclusives, scoops, any original material. It's in the tradition of you-can-only-get-it-here that news organizations have practiced for centuries. The drawback is that I'm always behind in my email and in my blog reading. But when I do blog read, I start with my Technorati links (trackback is dead).

We also agreed on another important point, salad nicoise for lunch.

I asked what was catching his eye these days. "I'm fascinated by complex engineering systems and how to apply the disciplines of engineering to ever more complex business systems such as customer service. It's relatively easy to do the back-end IT stuff that businesses need, but the front-facing stuff, dealing with people, is complex because people are unpredictable. And that's what makes this all very interesting."

Mr Wladawsky-Berger is a visiting professor at MIT and lectures on this, and related subjects.

I asked Mr Wladawsky-Berger a question I've wanted to ask about IBM for some time: how many business processes could I outsource to IBM? IBM's services group is half the company's revenues and it has a huge high-end business consulting group that has extensive domain experience in many industry sectors.

"Well, if you just want to stay at home and have us run everything, you couldn't do that, there is more to business than that, culture is very important," he said. However, there is an Indian telecommunications company that has outsourced everything to IBM except customer service.

"Sunil Bharti Mittal, CEO of Bharti TeleVentures Limited made a presentation our company meeting in Rome and he has been incredibly successful. He has managed to grow revenues while the price of cell phone minutes has been dropping," Mr Wladawsky-Berger said.

I mentioned that keeping the customer service as a core capability was smart because this is about keeping the cultural interface. I changed the description of Silicon Valley Watcher to "reporting on the business and *culture* of Silicon Valley" because businesses exist within a society and they have to understand their culture interface with many different communities otherwise.

That is why it is easy to outsource back end functions, software development, but it is not possible to outsource the front-end cultural user interface; that has to be kept local. The cultural aspect is part of Mr Wladawsky-Berger's research work on complex engineering systems, trying to understand the unpredictable human elements that can determine the success or failure of a business.

It's interesting discussing these topics and seeing how sometimes we can come to similar conclusions through different routes.

Coming next: The only thing that saved IBM from the disruption of PC revolution was ... Find out in Part 2 of Lunch with Irving Wladawsky-Berger...

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Mr Wladawsky-Berger is responsible for driving big changes at the world's largest computer company, and beyond. His influence within IBM and the industry is remarkable and achieved without much fanfare. He has managed to drive some important changes within IBM towards open standards, and very early support of Linux, and many other IT initiatives. And these have had great effect across the IT industry.

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Comments (7)

I enjoyed his comments at AlwaysOn today. He is refreshingly open and critical - not corporate IBM. But - he has milked Open source and you are giving him credit too. What percent of IBM rvs come from Linux servers - the only major Open source element? The majority of their revs come from closed model s/w like WebSphere and 50% in services using proprietary staff and methods. Not like they leveraging an open source community of developers or support folks..


I wonder if IWB keeps in touch with Dave Snowden? He (Snowden) started a KM/sense-making initiative in IBM which was called the Cynefin Centre for Organisational Complexity.

They must know each other. Dave now runs an consultancy on open source lines called Cognitive Edge. http://www.cognitive-edge.com/

It would seem a waste of resources if they are trying to duplicate each others' work.


Vinnie: Linux and open source wouldn't be so widely acceoted in the enterprise world if it wasn't for IBM's adoption and cheerleading. IBM was one of the first to figure out how it could benefit from open source and now there are thousands of other companies doing the same. Linux became a way IBM could tie together its many platforms, and as a developer platform to serve its many platforms. IBM also contributes much more than others to the open source commnity and has also been its defender from SCO's claims, etc. Yes, you are right, the money is in proprietary technologies but at the end of the day, IBM is an IT services company so it gets paid a lot of money no matter what OS, application, or hardware a customer wants.


David: Thanks for the info about David Snowden.


OK, Tom I will give them that. But why the hesitation in going full tilt - but if Irving and IBM are so hot on it, what is stopping them then from moving their $ 15 b in s/w revs - WebSphere, Tivoli, Lotus etc to that model? Also, why hire your own staff for SI/outsourcing - why not use communities for testing, support etc? Tom, they embody Cathedral but talk about being Bazaar...


Vinnie, you make some good points. I think that IBM will move their proprietary software to the open source model over time. Because that makes sense. And it does take time for companies tpo get it fully. So far, IBM has done a lot to promote open source and the fact that iit is self serving is perfectly fine.


Just for the record - we had to leave IBM two years ago. Open Source Consultancy and a unit which was both reserach and consultancy was too much for the system. I may have met IWB while I was there, but IBM had 350K people and us mavericks did not often get air time


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