The latest content versus index wars: European publishers slam the Oodles of Googles

By Tom Foremski - December 6, 2005

By Tom Foremski, Silicon Valley Watcher

Man-Vs-machine.jpgIt's the latest round in the battle between content creators versus the index creators. Human versus machine-produced content.

"By HELENA SPONGENBERG, Associated Press Writer
BRUSSELS, Belgium - European publishers warned Tuesday that they cannot keep allowing Internet search engines such as Google Inc. to make money from their content.

"The new models of Google and others reverse the traditional permission-based copyright model of content trading that we have built up over the years," said Francisco Pinto Balsemao, the head of the European Publishers Council, in prepared remarks for a speech at a Brussels conference."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051206/ap_on_hi_te/europe_internet

Google, Yahoo and the Oodles of this world will shrug and say, that's fine, we'll stop indexing you and I guess you don't want all the traffic we send you.

But maybe the traffic isn't that great? The traffic that news sites get from search engines isn't high quality traffic. It is the web surfer, happy-go-lucky, a click here, and one there, then gone.

News is not consumed through a search box. You cannot search for news because you wouldn't know what to search for. It's new. That's why there are products such as Google News, so you can see what is news.

But advertising on news pages is not very efficient. Conversions are the highest on search pages.

So, if Google and others publish headlines and extracts of news content on their pages, it takes away traffic because that is all the content most people need for news. Fewer visitors means it makes it more difficult for the news organizations to pay their journalists--and that must affect the quality of journalism.

Let's also mention the devastating effect Google et al are having on newspaper/ news sites and their classified ads and small business advertising.

This is a double whammy against the professional media sector, imho.

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Comments (8)

chad:

When did robots.txt stop being a workable solution to this? If people don't want in the google index, they should opt out. Problem solved, right??


Old Europe. Museums. Stagnation. Lack of imagination.

Rise Of A Powerhouse
"How the young knowledge workers of Central Europe are pushing the region to a new level."
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_50/b3963021.htm?campaign_id=nws_europ_dec6&link_position=link1


Regarding classifieds, the problem with Oodle-type traffic is that it is stripped from the value-adding property: Classified sites demand money for the scarce resource of reach into an audience. But users that come in through Oodle could as well be reached through any other site indexed there.

It is interesting how there are still no really new business models around classifieds, even though what these sites do is essientially search! The only applied models are just direct copies of the offline world.

I wrote up some of this a few weeks ago on my blog.


BC:

Of course, the irony is that many of the news stories that Google is scraping are written by "journalists" that don't go beyond Google for their sources...


Tom Foremski:

So, BC, are you saying we can just skip the middleman and Google can just Google itself into Google news :-)

Bernhard; You are dead right, too much of the online world is a mirror of the offline world, and doesn't take advantage of this new medium.

Blogging is something different--no offline analogy exists for it--it is a new animal, a new species of information that carries its own communications with it, it is read-write.

Dimitar: Thanks for pointing out the rise of the central European knowledge workers and also the fantastic skills of Polish programmers. We live in a knowledge capital world now, which is why there is $100bn sitting in Sand Hill row with no place to go...

Robots.txt: Yes, you can tell the swarming spiderbots to go away but, its a crude tool, and one that could and chould be more flexible. Also, spiderbots can ignore the Robots.txt file.


Tom Foremski:

Steve, I am a journalist, and that is what I do. I try to avoid the "B" word but if people tag me as a blogger, journalist blogger, or bugger, that's up to them...


Steve:

The EU has its own project digitizing books. It will then license this to all member states. Then Google - a private US corporation - can cry all the way home.


Tom, read-write has been around since the start of the net. See The Inquirer yesterday:


There are more bloggers than blog readers.


Blogs are write-write-pray someone's reading- write some more.


Aki:

If Google et al. still do the digitizing books job for free, then it will be still their market.


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